[Hayyan_Memon]

Originally Posted by AYAZ

Hayyan the reference of the ayaat you have given in English, Let me try translation in urdu for that:

1) Jo loog passed away hogaye hai wo jesa karey ga aus ke amaal aus ke sar. Aur aus ke amaal ka jawab tum ko nahi dena parey ga .

Dosra ayaat ka urdu tarjuma :

2) Jo nation passed away ho chuki hie aun ke amaal aun ke sar aur koiye dosra aus ke amaal ka jawab dei nahi .

So none of the above ayaat clearly said that Niyaz is not allowed and you can't send Isaal-e-Sawab to anyone?

And for Niyaz Tou niyaz dar haqeeqat Fatiha hei aur Isaal -e- sawab hai jo ke Quran sei sabit hai.

None of the above reference clearly said that Niyaz is forbidden?. Aap nie jo reference diye aus mei kahi mana nahi kara gaya ke niyaz nahi karo jesa mei nie uper meaning translate bhi kari hie.

Aab Isaal-e-sawaab per yeh cheez yaha share karna chahonga.



And please Har masley ke liye alag thread banao ab ais mei tum nie CHaliswan ka bhi sath mei kardiya hie tou har masley ka alag thread banaya jaye takey jawab deney mei aur read karney mei asani rahey aur phir ausi ke mutabiq jawab bhi dei sakey . Tou kindly Chaliswan ke aur deegar maslo ka alag alag thread banaye takey aus ke according jawab diya ja sakey .

Thanks
Jazak ALLAH Khair

As Salam O Alikum wR. wB
First of all Jazaak ALLAH brother FOr your nice Sharing. First you quoted Urdu Translation of the AYAH i have pasted in English and u said there is nothing about ishaal e Sawaab in this Ayah..

i think you dont read the proper detail description and detail after that AYAH.. There is a Question for You Please i hope you will surely answer it
If ALLAH said " Jo Loog Is duniya Say Chalay Gayy Unke Amaal unke Saath Aur Tumharay AMAAL tumharay Saath. Aur tum SAy unke Baray main SAWAAL nahi kiya jay gaa" What is the meaning of this ? in proper URDU traslation.
Ab main Urdu main Likhta hon Zahir Si baat hay Jab ALLAH baar Baar aik Hi cheez ko bata Raha Hay Quraan main Kai Jagah Ke Jo Loog is duniya Say chalay gayy Unke Baray main Tum Say SAWAAL nahi kiya Jayy ga Tau Iska Matlab yeh howa Ke Unke Amaal Namay Close ho chukay hain.. Wo jo is duniya main Kar Gayy wo Unke AMAAL thay.. Ab jo tum Kar Rahay hoo Wo tumharay AMAAL hain.. APP KAISAY KAH SAKTAY HOO KE YEH AYAH RELATED NAHI ? AUR AGAR APP IN AYAH ki TAFSEER READ KAROO Aur AGAR TAFSEER IBNE KATHIR KA mmain Refference Doon. Jo apko Khud hi baat clear Hoo jay gii...

AB DOSRI IMPORTANT BAAT. MAIN YEHI CHAH RAHA THA KE YAHAN PAR KISSI SPECIAL SECT YA FIRKAY KI BAAT NA HOO.. ISSI WAJAH SAY MAIN NAY KAHA KE EVERY THING IS ACCEPTABLE THROUGH ALLAH's QURAAN AND MOHAMMAD's PBUH FARMAAN.
Apnay Jo Kunday Wali Discription Di hay Main nay Wo completely Read ki hay.. Bohat Achi Discription hay MashaALLAH. But Sorry to Say ke Us main mughe Sirf Aik Hadeed ke Ilawa Aur Na Koi Hadeed Nazar Aii na Koi Quraan ki Ayah Ka Refference Haan Bohat Saray Alim Aur Mufties and IMAAM's ke QOOL Zaroor nazar ayy.. AUR jo Hadeed Apnay REFFER ki hay
Meri Aik Guzarish Hay Aik DAfa ussi HAdeed ko App Khud Sahe bukhari Say Aur Sahee Muslim Say Zaroor Daikh lain.. ke Wahan Actual Likha kiya hay aur Imam Bukhari & Imam Muslim nay Uski Explanation kaisay ki hay.. Wo Hadeed main Apni Thread main Pahlay hi Mention kar chuka hon. Aur Yeh bhi Mention Kar chuka hon ke Loog Us Hadeed main ammendment kar ke Kiss tarah Usko Ishaal E Sawaab ke liye Paish Kartay hain.. Agar app Aik dafa khud Read kar Lain Tau i think apke Shak O Shubhaat door ho jain.. Wo Hadeed Mannat par Hay NIYAZ NAZRANAY PAR NAHI..

Hope App Upar kiye meray Sawalaat ka Zaroor Answer Daingay..
ALLAH HUMAIN DEEN KO SAHI TARAH SAMAJNAY KI TOFEEQ ATA FARMAY..

JAWAAB MAIN HAR WOO CHEEZ TASLEEM KI JAY GI JO ALLAH KE QURAAN YA NABI (SAW) KE FARMAAN SAY HOO..
JAZAAK ALLAH

 

[AYAZ]

Originally Posted by Hayyan_Memon

As Salam O Alikum wR. wB
First of all Jazaak ALLAH brother FOr your nice Sharing. First you quoted Urdu Translation of the AYAH i have pasted in English and u said there is nothing about ishaal e Sawaab in this Ayah..

i think you dont read the proper detail description and detail after that AYAH.. There is a Question for You Please i hope you will surely answer it
If ALLAH said " Jo Loog Is duniya Say Chalay Gayy Unke Amaal unke Saath Aur Tumharay AMAAL tumharay Saath. Aur tum SAy unke Baray main SAWAAL nahi kiya jay gaa" What is the meaning of this ? in proper URDU traslation.
Ab main Urdu main Likhta hon Zahir Si baat hay Jab ALLAH baar Baar aik Hi cheez ko bata Raha Hay Quraan main Kai Jagah Ke Jo Loog is duniya Say chalay gayy Unke Baray main Tum Say SAWAAL nahi kiya Jayy ga Tau Iska Matlab yeh howa Ke Unke Amaal Namay Close ho chukay hain.. Wo jo is duniya main Kar Gayy wo Unke AMAAL thay.. Ab jo tum Kar Rahay hoo Wo tumharay AMAAL hain.. APP KAISAY KAH SAKTAY HOO KE YEH AYAH RELATED NAHI ? AUR AGAR APP IN AYAH ki TAFSEER READ KAROO Aur AGAR TAFSEER IBNE KATHIR KA mmain Refference Doon. Jo apko Khud hi baat clear Hoo jay gii...

AB DOSRI IMPORTANT BAAT. MAIN YEHI CHAH RAHA THA KE YAHAN PAR KISSI SPECIAL SECT YA FIRKAY KI BAAT NA HOO.. ISSI WAJAH SAY MAIN NAY KAHA KE EVERY THING IS ACCEPTABLE THROUGH ALLAH's QURAAN AND MOHAMMAD's PBUH FARMAAN.
Apnay Jo Kunday Wali Discription Di hay Main nay Wo completely Read ki hay.. Bohat Achi Discription hay MashaALLAH. But Sorry to Say ke Us main mughe Sirf Aik Hadeed ke Ilawa Aur Na Koi Hadeed Nazar Aii na Koi Quraan ki Ayah Ka Refference Haan Bohat Saray Alim Aur Mufties and IMAAM's ke QOOL Zaroor nazar ayy.. AUR jo Hadeed Apnay REFFER ki hay
Meri Aik Guzarish Hay Aik DAfa ussi HAdeed ko App Khud Sahe bukhari Say Aur Sahee Muslim Say Zaroor Daikh lain.. ke Wahan Actual Likha kiya hay aur Imam Bukhari & Imam Muslim nay Uski Explanation kaisay ki hay.. Wo Hadeed main Apni Thread main Pahlay hi Mention kar chuka hon. Aur Yeh bhi Mention Kar chuka hon ke Loog Us Hadeed main ammendment kar ke Kiss tarah Usko Ishaal E Sawaab ke liye Paish Kartay hain.. Agar app Aik dafa khud Read kar Lain Tau i think apke Shak O Shubhaat door ho jain.. Wo Hadeed Mannat par Hay NIYAZ NAZRANAY PAR NAHI..

Hope App Upar kiye meray Sawalaat ka Zaroor Answer Daingay..
ALLAH HUMAIN DEEN KO SAHI TARAH SAMAJNAY KI TOFEEQ ATA FARMAY..

JAWAAB MAIN HAR WOO CHEEZ TASLEEM KI JAY GI JO ALLAH KE QURAAN YA NABI (SAW) KE FARMAAN SAY HOO..
JAZAAK ALLAH

AS SALAAM O ALAIKUM,

Main pehli baat ka jawab deita ho aap ko . First aap nie kaha ke

" Jo Loog Is duniya Say Chalay Gayy Unke Amaal unke Saath Aur Tumharay AMAAL tumharay Saath. Aur tum SAy unke Baray main SAWAAL nahi kiya jay gaa"

Tou bhai yaha kaha mana kara hei ke ISAAL -E- SAWAB nahi kar saktey? Means Ager qayamat ke din
hum sei hamarey amaal namey ke barey mei pouch gaj hogei aur kisi dosrey ki nahi tou ais sei ISAAL -E- SAWAB kia kiya relation banta hie ?

Dosri baat jo aap ney kari

Matlab yeh howa Ke Unke Amaal Namay Close ho chukay hain.. Wo jo is duniya main Kar Gayy wo Unke AMAAL thay.. Ab jo tum Kar Rahay hoo Wo tumharay AMAAL hain.

Ager koiye Quran shareef Masjid mei rakhwata hei tou jub tek aus Quran shareef sei loog parheinge loog aus ka ajar oo sawab aus ko milta rahey ga no matter wo zinda ho ya mar gaya yeh tou understood baat hie. Naik baat aap pehlao gei aur aus per amal karey koiye tou jub tek wo aus per amal karta rahey aus ko aus ka sawab milta rahey ga chaiye aap zinda ho ya mar gaye tuo phir account kaha sei close howa aur ager account close hogaya tou phir jo mar jata hie phir aus ke liye magfirat ki dua kyon ki jati hie ?

Isaal-e-sawab ka intezar kartey hai :



Naik kamo mei sabqat lei jana chaiye:


Aap keh rahey hie ke Hadees Shareef Main amendment kar ke dei di ap ke pass proof ho authentic tou paish karein aur dosri baat ap nei jo uper aiyaat paish kari hie aus sei bhi tou aap meaning out nikal rahey ho aus mei tou kahi nahi likha ke Isaal-e-sawab mana hie ? ya niyaz nahi kar saktey?


Aur phir ek baar mei yeh line repeat kar raha ho :

Niyaz dar haqeeqat Fatiha hei aur Isaal -e- sawab hai jo ke Quran sei sabit hai.



Ais thread main meri taref sei replies apna nazariya paish karna hie aur kisi ki dil azari nahi .

Shukria
Jazak ALLAH Khair.

 

[Hayyan_Memon]

Originally Posted by AYAZ

AS SALAAM O ALAIKUM,

Main pehli baat ka jawab deita ho aap ko . First aap nie kaha ke


Tou bhai yaha kaha mana kara hei ke ISAAL -E- SAWAB nahi kar saktey? Means Ager qayamat ke din
hum sei hamarey amaal namey ke barey mei pouch gaj hogei aur kisi dosrey ki nahi tou ais sei ISAAL -E- SAWAB kia kiya relation banta hie ?

Dosri baat jo aap ney kari

Ager koiye Quran shareef Masjid mei rakhwata hei tou jub tek aus Quran shareef sei loog parheinge loog aus ka ajar oo sawab aus ko milta rahey ga no matter wo zinda ho ya mar gaya yeh tou understood baat hie. Naik baat aap pehlao gei aur aus per amal karey koiye tou jub tek wo aus per amal karta rahey aus ko aus ka sawab milta rahey ga chaiye aap zinda ho ya mar gaye tuo phir account kaha sei close howa aur ager account close hogaya tou phir jo mar jata hie phir aus ke liye magfirat ki dua kyon ki jati hie ?

Isaal-e-sawab ka intezar kartey hai :



Naik kamo mei sabqat lei jana chaiye:


Aap keh rahey hie ke Hadees Shareef Main amendment kar ke dei di ap ke pass proof ho authentic tou paish karein aur dosri baat ap nei jo uper aiyaat paish kari hie aus sei bhi tou aap meaning out nikal rahey ho aus mei tou kahi nahi likha ke Isaal-e-sawab mana hie ? ya niyaz nahi kar saktey?


Aur phir ek baar mei yeh line repeat kar raha ho :

Niyaz dar haqeeqat Fatiha hei aur Isaal -e- sawab hai jo ke Quran sei sabit hai.



Ais thread main meri taref sei replies apna nazariya paish karna hie aur kisi ki dil azari nahi .

Shukria
Jazak ALLAH Khair.

As Salam O Alikum wR wB
Meray khayaal say App Nay meri Thread ko Achi tarah REad nahi kiya.. Main nay kahin yeh Nahi likha ke Ishaal E Sawaab Mana Hayy.. Main nay likha hay Ishaal E Sawaab Jaiz hay But Uske Rules and Regulation hain Jo Humain Hadeed Say Prove Hotay hain..

Pahli Baat apnay Ki Jo Ayah Ki Misaal Ab Zara Khul kar Main Baat karta hon.. QURAN kiya hay ? ALLAH ki Kitaab.. Kiss Liye Bheeji Gaii ? Takay Logoon ko Guidance Mil Sakay Deen ke BAray main.. Matlab Zinda Logoon ko Guidance Mil sakay.. Ya Phir apke Khayaal say Jo Guzar Gay hain Unko bhi Guidance ki Zaroorat hay ?.. Aik Banda Apni Zindagi Main Hi AMAAL kar ke Guzarta hay naa ? Tum Say uske Baray main Nahi poocha Jay ga Ka kiya matlab hay ? Tafseer Ibne Kathir Say iski explaination apko Detail main Mil jay gi..

Dosri Baat apnay Shayad meray Ishaal E Sawaab Ke 4 Points Nahi Read kiye Jo ke Hadeed Say Sabit hain Aur main Apni Thread main Day chuka hon.. Apnay Jo Dosri Baat explain ki Hay ke Aik banda Quraan Rakhwata hay MAsjid main Jab tak Wo Quraan PArha Jata hay usko SAwaab Milta Rahta hay BEshak.. Yehi bat main Apnni Thread Main explain kar Chuka hon.. Isko SAdqa E Jariya Kahtay hain Jo Insaan Apni Zindagi main Kar Ke Jayy Uska SAwaab uske Marnay ke Baad bhi usko Milta Rahta hay.. Aur Yeh Quraan Aur HAdeed Say Sabit Hay.. Issi Tarah Kissi banday Nay Koi Kunwaan Khudwa Diya Uska SAWAAB usko Uski Death ke Baad bhi milta Rahay gaa..

Main Ab Zara Dobara Say Repeat Karta hon Shayad Yeh Hadeed Apko Nazar Nahi Aii Meri Thread main.

Abu Huraira (RA) reported Allah’s Messenger (SAW) as saying: When a man dies, his acts come to an end, but three, recurring charity, or knowledge (by which people) benefit, or a pious son, who prays for him (for the deceased). [Sahih Muslim - Book 13, Hadith 4005]

Is HAdeed Say Jo Cheezain SAbit hain Wo main Qoute Karta hon AGAR Ghalat karoon tau mughe Please clear kar dijiye ga..
1) Wo Naik Kaam Aur AMAL JO MArnay Walay nay Apni Zindagi main kiya
2) SAdqa E Jariaa
3) Agar Usnay Apni Zindagi main Loogoon ko Aisa Ilm Diya Ke Jiss SAy wo Apni Bahtar Zindagi Guzaar Sakain Deen Aur Duniya ke Lehaaz Say Uska SAwaab uske Marnay ke baad bhi Usko Milta Rahay ga Jab tak Uskay Ilm Say Loog Surkh Rooh Hotay Rahaingay
4) Agar Usnay Apni Zindagi main Apni Olaad ki Naik Tarbiyat ki Hay Tau Us Olaad ke Naik AMaal ka SAwaab bhi Marnay Walay ko Milta Rahay ga

AB ATAY HAIN US BAAT KI TARAF JO APNAY HADEED KI ALTERATION KI BAAT KI.. I THINK APKE PASS BHI SAHEE BUKHARI AND MUSLIM TAU HOOGI WO SARI HADEED REPEAT KARTA HON

Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: The mother of Sad bin ‘Ubada died in his absence. He said, “O Allah’s Apostle! My mother died in my absence; will it be of any benefit for her if I give Sadaqa on her behalf?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Sad said, “I make you a witness that I gave my garden called Al Makhraf in charity on her behalf.” [Sahih Bukhari, Book 51, Hadith 19)

YEh Wo Hadeed Hay Jo Apnay Likhi thi Apnay Note Main But Apnay Shayad Yeh Goor nahi kiya Ke Yeh Main Apni Thread Main Explain KAr chuka Hon Aur Yehi Hadeed Aik DAfa Nahi Do Dafa Aii Hay as a Copy to Sahee Bukhari Jo ke Actual Is Tarah Jiss Main Hazrat Saad Bin Ubada R.A Ki WAlida ki Aik Mannat thi And Unhoon nay Prophet PBUH Say poocha ke Unko Unki Manat Poray Honay Say pahlay Maut nay Aa Pakra.. Tau kiya wo Main Poori Kar Sakta Hon Prophet PBUH said YES. As per you see below

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: Sad bin Ubada consulted Allah's Apostle saying, "My mother died and she had an unfulfilled vow." The Prophet said, "Fulfill it on her behalf." [Sahih Bukhari, Book 51, Hadith 23]

Challooo Chooroo Is baat ko Is Par Agar Doubt Hay Tauu Yehi Hadeed Sahi Bukhari main aik Aur Jagah bhi Ai hayy Upar Wali Hadeed Ka Refference Daikha.. Ab Jo Paste karta hon Uska Refference Exact Words Main DAikhiyee..

Narrated Sa’id bin ‘Ubada Al-Ansari: that he consulted the Prophet about a vow that had been made by his mother who died without fulfilling it. The Prophet gave his verdict that he should fulfill it on her behalf. The verdict became Sunna (i.e. the Prophet’s tradition). [Sahih Bukhari, Book 78, Hadith 689]

Ab Issi Type Ki Dosri Hadeed Zara Daikhiyee


Sahih Bukhari Book 29. Penalty of Hunting While on Pilgrimage

Narated By Ibn 'Abbas : A woman from the tribe of Juhaina came to the Prophet and said, "My mother had vowed to perform Hajj but she died before performing it. May I perform Hajj on my mother's behalf?" The Prophet replied, "Perform Hajj on her behalf. Had there been a debt on your mother, would you have paid it or not? So, pay Allah's debt as He has more right to be paid.

Aik Aur Hadeed


Sahih Bukhari Book 31. Fasting

Narated By Ibn Abbas : A man came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! My mother died and she ought to have fasted one month (for her missed Ramadan). Shall I fast on her behalf?" The Prophet replied in the affirmative and said, "Allah's debts have more right to be paid." In another narration a woman is reported to have said, "My sister died..."

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: A woman said to the Prophet "My mother died and she had vowed to fast but she didn't fast." In another narration Ibn 'Abbas is reported to have said, "A woman said to the Prophet, "My mother died while she ought to have fasted for fifteen days."

Yeh Aik Aur Hadeed


Sahih Bukhari Book 92. Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah

Narrated By Ibn 'Abbas : A woman came to the Prophet and said, "My mother vowed to perform the Hajj but she died before performing it. Should I perform the Hajj on her behalf?" He said, "Yes! Perform the Hajj on her behalf. See, if your mother had been in debt, would you have paid her debt?" She said, "Yes." He said, "So you should pay what is for Him as Allah has more right that one should fulfill one's obligations to Him."

As per you see in above hadeed there is no written ke App marnay ke baad Marnay walay ke Liye Quran Khuwani Karwaoo For Ishaal E Sawaab Balkay yeh Hadeed Mannat Say Related hain.. ke Aik banday nay apni Zindagi main 15 Rozay Rakhnay ki Mannat ki but Usko Maut Nay Aa Pakra.. Uski Olaad mmain Say koi Is mannat ko Poora karay ga Tau iska Sawaab ussay pohanchay gaa.



NOTE: Upar Kahi Gai Tamaam Batain Main Nay na Khud Say ki hain. Aur Na Main Khud Say Kar Sakta hon.. issi wajah say main nay Har baat kay Saath Quraan aur Hadeed Ka Refference Diya hay.. and Brother Please mind na karna Apnay Jo Last Reply main Hadeed bayaan ki Hay Uskay Saath neechay Sub Refference hay Through the Book Of Maktab Daral Alima. Ab Zahir Si baat hay Is Hadeed ka Main Refference bhi Hooga. Like From Sahee Bukhari Or Muslim Or Mota Imam Malik Or Mota ahmed Bin Hamble Or Ibne Maja Wo bhi please dijiye ga takay main iski bhi confirmation kar sakoon.

ALLAH ke Liye Ki gai Mannat Ko Ishaal E Sawab main Mix nahi Kar SAktay.. Ab main bhi Dil Azari nahi kar Raha but aik chouta Sa Question hay mera Jo main Aksar Soochta hon.. Ke Yeh Quran Khuwani Yeh Kunday Wagera Sirf Pakistan Aur India Ke Muslims Par Farz hain ?

In Answer Every Thing is Acceptable Through ALLAH's Quraan & Prophet's (PBUH) Farmaan.