A Query A hadith

[Shaam]

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Dear All

I am posting here something first time ever i joined this forum and the reason is obvious i am not religious at all. But yes curious to certain extent which make me disturb whenever i dont get any answer at all. This applies on my daily life as well. The above mentioned Hadith i read few years back and from that time i was wondering that how can i get that meaning of it. Though the study of hadith is a life taking job and people flourished their lives and the search and study this subject. This made me contact alot of scholars and sheikh ul hadith and sufis but couldn't get satisfaction due to lack of simplicity in explanation and conflict of believes in different sack of muslims.

But this morning i got something i really wondering for, I was sitting with my friend who is a Ph.D in Opto electronics from oxford university. We were discussing the behaviour and rules or Meta Physics in muslims and nonmuslims. Suddenly this hadith came into ma mind and i asked him.

he replied me to just concentrate on the first word of the hadith "MOMIN". What is a momin, who we called a momin and what are his attributes then i could understand the farasat and the rest of the hadith. we talked over this hadith for like next 2 more hours.

The purpose of posting this here is to involve you people into this and want a feed back from you guys about the perception of momin in you minds. I want a very clear mindset and reasonable replies. I know a very few will take interest in this but yet need some feed back on this.


Will pursue this after getting those replies


Thanks...

[safa]

jazakallah

[~wish munda~]

SubhanAllah
JazakAllah

[Shaam]

parh letey tou ziada khushi hoti :s

[Anokhi<3]

Bht umda topic Shaam... :)

Mere khayal se to Momin sirf wohi he nhi hota jo namazen parhe or Zakat de. Ye sab krne se insaan momin nhi ban jata jb insaan Allah Ta'la k bandon k sath he acha salook na rkhe to uski barri se barri ibadat b Rabb Ta'la k age kch nhi rehti..

[FurQan]

According To IshFaq Ahmed (I Hope you All Know him)
MUslman = Ju Allah Ku Manta Hay Us Ki Tammam Sifat k Saat

Momin= Ju Allah Ki Maanta Hay....
Now In My Wording I would Like to Explain The WORD "Momin" Throu Quran
In Quran Allah Subhana wa Talla Called Momin to those PPL who Said " Samyna Wa Athana" Mtlb Hum nai Suna Aur Hum nai Ataat Ki

Jub Jub Un ku ALLAH nai Kisi Kaam ka Kaha Unhu nai Koi bahana nahi banaya Koi excuse Nothing Just Said OK this is the Order of Our ALLAH n Our Rasool so we Have to Follow this... Yeh Rawaya ALLAH ku Buhat Zyda Pasand hay

ALLAH ku Hazrat Ibrahim ALAIHI SALAM sai itni Muhabat Kio hay ..Kio k ALLAH nai Kaha "Sir Juhka DU (Qabol ker lo) Aur ik lamha Zaya Kiye baghair unhu nai kaha me nai Qabol kiya :) ALLAH SWT un ki shaan me kahty Hay Surah Baqra mai" WO Yaksu Muslman ty"

Hope U all Get My Point :)

[Shaam]

thanku all for ur precious comments.

the confusion is still here that we are created to worship according to Quran but what comes in that domain. If offering Salah and rest of the commandments what we usually do is worshiping. Iqbal said "jinhey tu ne bakshaw hai zoq e khudai". Those who knows the will of Allah.

Now look at those few whom we call " Ashra e Mubashira", I am sure there isnt any doubt saying them true momin as Allah said to them "mei tum se raazi".

There was a common thingin their behaviors towards life and that is their FAITH and BELIEF in Allah. The belief that has been made in the 1st 13 years of Makkah life with without sending and law that everything happens as per Allah wish. You cannot get advantage nor get any harm unless HE ordered.

Now come to a technical overview of the matter i.e. laws. There is always a physical law which has been made for everything that happening in nature. But for a momin they have been given the command over some supreme law which over come the usual laws of nature. for example

vanish the burning capability of fire
passing through the wall
a letter to the river neil and so many


now we are reaching to the second part of the hadith " FARASAT". This is a Momin Farasat that he SEE and OBSERVE the world with the attributes of what Allah has been given to him. Thus a Momin can see what we cant. He answered with the wisdom where our brain does not reach.


Now i would like you ppl to add some comments which can define Momins Farasat.


Thanks All..

[FurQan]

Good Question :)
InshaALLAH I will add my comment later

[Shaam]

sure furqan i will wait for it.

[Noor ul huda]

Kuch din baad InshaALLAH !!

[Shaam]

zaroor ...
waisey bhi aap Quran ki talib ilm hai yaqeenan koi mufassil raye deingi...

[Hijaab]

jzakAllahu khaerkum

[Noor ul huda]

Assalamo walaikum !!

Sorry About Late reply

Your First Question is Who is a Mo'min ?

Islam Aur Imaan Ka Farq Hadees e Jibreel sy huta Hay...

`Umar ibn Khattab (Allah be well pleased with him) said:
“As we were sitting one day before the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), a man suddenly appeared. He wore pure white clothes and his hair was dark black—yet there were no signs of travel on him, and none of us knew him.
He came and sat down in front of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), placing his knees against his, and his hands on his thighs. He said, “O Muhammad! Tell me about Islam.”
The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “Islam is to bear witness that there is no god but God and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God; and to perform the prayer; pay zakat; fast Ramadan; and to perform Hajj to the House if you are able.”
The man said, “You have spoken the truth,” and we were surprised that he asked and then confirmed the answer.
Then, he asked, “Tell me about belief (iman).”
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “It is to believe in Allah; His Angels; His Books; His Messengers; the Last Day; and in destiny—its good and bad.”
The man said, “You have spoken the truth.
[Sahih Muslim]

Ab Muslim woh hay ju islam K Taqazoo Ko Poora kery (Shadatain , Namaz , Zakkat , Roza ,Hajj )
Aur Mo'min Woh hay Jo Imaan K Taqazoo ko Poora Kery (ALLAH , us k farishto , Kitaaboo , Paghamberoo aur Achi buri taqdeer per Imaan)

Agar in donu Ka zikr Alag Alag aye tu Matlab Aik hi houga.....................Laykin Agar aik saath aye tu Matlab Juda Juda hain..........Imaan ka Talluq Batin Say hay ( Qalb sy)............aur Islaam Ka Talluq Zahir sy hay (Jawarih sy)

Next = Farasat

Meaning = Kisi Cheez ky Zahir Ko dekh ker us ka pata laga lyna , Depth May jana......Kisi cheez ki asal Khoobiyoo ko Jaan layna , Gehri Samajh Boojh , Insaano ki pehchaan Hona...

ALLAH Ka Noor Darasal Us ki hidayath Ka Noor Hay.......Aik Shakhs Jab Imaan k Taqaazo ko poora kerta hay tu ALLAH ki Mohabbat uss ky dil may Rasikh huti jaati hay....jis k Nateejy may uss ko aik asa noor milta hay K zahir Ko dekh ker us kay batin ka pata chal jata hay , logo ki pehchaan hony lagti hy, bayshak yeh cheez (Farasat) God Gifted Hay Laykin yeh musalsal imaan k saath ilm k hasool , us per amal aur Tajrubaat sy Hasil hou sakta hay..

Farasat aik aam insan may bhi hu sakta hay liken Scientists....jinhoo nay apni zihanat aur door andeshi sy Ijaadat ki Laykin Mo'min Ki Farasat say dar iss liye hay k Us may ALLAH ki Raza aur Us ki madad shamil ryhti hay Jiss say woh Deen Ka hi Bhala kerta Hay..

Iss ka Talluq Wisdom sy Hay...Farsat may yahi cheez ahem h K insaano ki pehchan hu jati hay...aam cheezo kay bary may ham predctions de sakty hain Laykin insan Unpredictable hay..

Aik Rawayath K Mutabiq 3 log sab sy zyada Farsat mand huway hain

1. Aziz e Misr ( Yousf AS ko dekhty hi pehchaan lia..k yeh aam Bacha nahi hy)
2. ibna tul shuaib ( shoaib ki Baithi..Jis nay hasrat Mousa ko dekhty hi apny baap ko
kaha tha k iss ko ujrat per rakh lien k yeh mazbook aur amanat dar hay)
3. Hazrat Abou Bakkar (Hazrat Umer ko apny baad khalifa ka intikhaab kerny ka faisla..hazrat
umer k insaaf aur naikiyaan bhi unko miliengii)
4. Imam Shaafi ( Jo zahir ko dekh ker pata lagaty thy)

Aur Baqi sahaba Karaam k Waqiyat parhien Tu mazeed samajh may aye ga...

Baharhall.........yeh Buhut Taweel hou gaya..............Bilkul Accurate Answer Janny k liye Khud may aik Mo'min Ki siffaat paida kerny ki koshish karien Iss ka Jawab Buhut acha mil jata hay.. :) INSHAALLAH

Baqool Iqbal

Taqdeer-e-umam kia hay koi keh nahiN sakta
momin ki farasat ho to kafi hay ishara

aik misaal Tareekh sy

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[Truth Reveals]

Very weldone Siddiqa_Hijaab.. Jazak'Allah

[Truth Reveals]

Bht umda topic Shaam... :)

Mere khayal se to Momin sirf wohi he nhi hota jo namazen parhe or Zakat de. Ye sab krne se insaan momin nhi ban jata jb insaan Allah Ta'la k bandon k sath he acha salook na rkhe to uski barri se barri ibadat b Rabb Ta'la k age kch nhi rehti..

Sirf Ap Kay Khayal Say Hi Nahi, Nabi Pak Sall'Allah'Ho'Alehi Wasal'lam Nay Bhi Momin Ki Sab Say Bari Nishani Yehi Batai Hay.. Jo Ap Keh Rahi Hain.. Kuch Ahadith Quote Kar Raha Hoon..

Hazrat Abu Huraira "RA" Say Riwayat Hay, Allah K Rasool "SAAW" Nay Farmaya: , Jo Allah Par Aur Roz e Qayamat Par Imaan Rakhta Hay Apnay Hamsaye Ko Na Sataye, .. Aur Jo Allah Aur Roz e Qayamat Par Iman Rakhta Hay Moon Say Achi Baat Nikalay Ya Khamosh Rahay..
- Sahi Bukhari Kitab Al Adab

Hazrat Abu Musa (Ashura) "RA" Say Riwayat Hay Aik Mo'min Doosray Mo'min K Liye Aik Mazboot Deevar Ki Tarha Hay Jis Ka Aik Hissa Doosray Hissay Ko Mazboot Karta Hay, [Example K Liye] Aap "SAAW" Nay Dono Hatho'n Ki Ungliya'n Aik Doosray Mein Daali'n ..
- Sahi Bukhari Kitab Al Mazalim

Hazrat Anas Bin Malik "RA" Say Riwayat Hay Kay Hazoor Nabi Kareem "SAAW" Nay Farmaya Khuda Ki Kasam Wo Mo'min Nahi, Khuda Ki Kasam Wo Mo'min Nahi, Khuda Ki Kasam Wo Mo'min Nahi.. Arz Kiya Gya Ya Rasool Allah "SAAW" Kon? Aap "SAAW" Nay Farmaya, Jis Ka Parosi Us Ki Ayzaa Rasani [Di Gai Takleefain] Say Mehfooz Nahi
- Sahi Bukhari Kitab Al Adab

[Noor ul huda]

Wa Iyyaki Truth...

[Shaam]

well thanks hijab
i will summarize and close it in a couple of days.

[maliksaim]

i like this sharing. keep on sharing

[Shaam]

thanks saim bhai
aap ke liking ke faiz me 15 min laggaye post dhoondnei me
khush rahein aap : )


mmm now back to the topic.
Momin ki farasat sei daro, wo Allah ke noor sei dekhta hai

hmmm is ko samjhney ke lia momin ki definition ko dekhtey hain .
ahadis upper kaafi bayan hogai hain ke kaun log momin hotey hain, pehchaan kia hai etc etc. in sab ka extract me yah nikalta hoo ke momin wo jis kudh ki khuwahishaat ko Allah ke hawalei kardia hai, jis ne ISLAM ko bahasiyat mazhat nahi bulkei zabta e hayat ke tor per apnaya, aur jis ke dil mei Allah ki zaat kabhi bhi kuch bhi honei ka yaqeen chahey wo faida ho ya nuqsan hota hai aur wo raza bil Raza e Ilahi razi hota hai
now jab yah stage achieve hojati hai jo ke kahne aur sunney me bohat asaan lagta hai lekin baqol kisi buzurg ke
ishq me khaak bhi salamat nahi rahti yah aisy rah hai
tou phir Allah insan ke hath me wo supreme laws deita hai wo haqiqatein muntashif hoti hain jo ke hum zahiri ankh sei nahi dekhsaktey jaisey

Hazrat Umar R.Z ka neil ko khat likhna aur hukum deina(me aur aap poori diary ek balti me daldein kuch nahi hoga)
Hazrat Umar ka jang e yarmook pei madinah me kharey hokei Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed ko intibah karna
Hazrat Umar ka sooraj ko gusey sei dekhna aur gehen lagjana
Hazrat Ali ka asar qaza hona aur sooraj ka wapas hona
beshumaar buzurgan e deen ka deewar sei guzar jana
lamho me musafatein tey karna


Now yah sab kaisey aur kio ker baaz log insab ko nahi mantey jaisye mei nahi manta tha......

lekin sochen Allah ne her cheez ke lia laws banain hain
properties di hain jo ke normally apply hpti hain........ jab Allah ka hukum hota hai tou AAG jis ki property jalanei ki hai as per LAW wo thandi hojati hai (supreme law which superimposed the basic law). Knife jo ke kaat ti hai wo nahi kaaat pati ( supreme law). isi tarha Allah apne attritbure bando ke sath share karta hai jaisey quran me farmata hai " me unke hath paon zuban banjata hoo" . Tou unlogo ke jawabaat, alfaaz harkaat o saknaat sab kuch wo hota hai jo Allah chahta hai.

ab yah kahna ke me ek shaks dekh raha hoo dosra us ka batin dekh raha hai how its possible ke us ko kuch ziada nazar arah ahai hum sei. bohat common si example hai ek khabar kisi ek shaks ke lia khushi ka bayis hoti hai dosrei ko heart attack ajata hai" kaynaat me her cheez relative hai. merei prespective sei jo hai wo zaroori nahi kisi aur ke lia waisy hi ho. yah us ka halaat mushahidaat aur nazar ke upper hai.
kainaat me sab kuch relative hai waqia mairaaj se leike roz hone wali barish tak.

beherhaal kisi ko ger koi izafa hai ya koi sawla hai tou mujhey khushi hogi wo ger post karei.

[Truth Reveals]

Well Said

[Shaam]

shukria.

[ღƬαsнι☣Rασ™]

Jazak allah
Jazak Allah
Thanks fOr Shar!ng

[life]

JazakAllah khair